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	<title>Comments on: Crafting and You: A Northrend Tank&#8217;s Perspective</title>
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		<title>By: Arato</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Arato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh... still on my first cup of coffee.. sorry.. 

Previous post was referring to the Blacksmith / Mining combo.  Since the fortitude bonus isn&#039;t attached to BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh&#8230; still on my first cup of coffee.. sorry.. </p>
<p>Previous post was referring to the Blacksmith / Mining combo.  Since the fortitude bonus isn&#8217;t attached to BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Arato</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Arato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the validity to each side of this discussion.  And I think it&#039;s safe to say it boils down some to individuality.  Some laud avoidance, some are all about the health and others take the time to crunch numbers and find the balance.  While LW and JC can definitely be a good way to go, I assure you that BS is a very valid craft to take on.

As noted above, the fortitude is a great bonus.  And the 2 sockets are, in my humble opinion, quite the boon.  They&#039;re prismatic which means they can be tailored to assist in any meta requirements you might have.

And if you don&#039;t have a lot of play time or don&#039;t get in many groups, there are two BoP northrend sword recipes that are decent if you haven&#039;t gotten specific quests done and/or don&#039;t get lucky on the drops in instances.  (or if you were spec&#039;d differently while questing and got the &quot;wrong&quot; item)

I was Kara geared and able to be heroic capable defense-wise just by capping blacksmithing and gearing myself out from my own craft.  So I can&#039;t agree that being a BSmith is a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the validity to each side of this discussion.  And I think it&#8217;s safe to say it boils down some to individuality.  Some laud avoidance, some are all about the health and others take the time to crunch numbers and find the balance.  While LW and JC can definitely be a good way to go, I assure you that BS is a very valid craft to take on.</p>
<p>As noted above, the fortitude is a great bonus.  And the 2 sockets are, in my humble opinion, quite the boon.  They&#8217;re prismatic which means they can be tailored to assist in any meta requirements you might have.</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t have a lot of play time or don&#8217;t get in many groups, there are two BoP northrend sword recipes that are decent if you haven&#8217;t gotten specific quests done and/or don&#8217;t get lucky on the drops in instances.  (or if you were spec&#8217;d differently while questing and got the &#8220;wrong&#8221; item)</p>
<p>I was Kara geared and able to be heroic capable defense-wise just by capping blacksmithing and gearing myself out from my own craft.  So I can&#8217;t agree that being a BSmith is a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: tygranther</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>tygranther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, Druid, am a 450 insriptionist 408 LW.  I have noticed that as far as the shoulder enchants go.... Inscription are nice. And I will proudly and HONESTLY admit that I dropped herbing for LW only for the +90 stamina bracer enchant........for a bear... +90 stam seemed more solid than 2k heals on cooldown ... BUT if it weren&#039;t for the upcoming 3.1 patch changes..I might drop inscription for JC.

The crab and the hare are nice.. AND with sockets?  I can get Sons of Hodir rep and get shoulder enchants (half as effective), but still I would be looking at +100 stam or so.. Dunno I have to weigh the benefits on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, Druid, am a 450 insriptionist 408 LW.  I have noticed that as far as the shoulder enchants go&#8230;. Inscription are nice. And I will proudly and HONESTLY admit that I dropped herbing for LW only for the +90 stamina bracer enchant&#8230;&#8230;..for a bear&#8230; +90 stam seemed more solid than 2k heals on cooldown &#8230; BUT if it weren&#8217;t for the upcoming 3.1 patch changes..I might drop inscription for JC.</p>
<p>The crab and the hare are nice.. AND with sockets?  I can get Sons of Hodir rep and get shoulder enchants (half as effective), but still I would be looking at +100 stam or so.. Dunno I have to weigh the benefits on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Urago</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Urago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, otherwise known as &quot;Fortitude,&quot; already noted and wooted.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, otherwise known as &#8220;Fortitude,&#8221; already noted and wooted.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ais</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well dont forget mining ? when you reach 450 i gain passive, &quot;toughness&quot; 50 stam xtra x)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well dont forget mining ? when you reach 450 i gain passive, &#8220;toughness&#8221; 50 stam xtra x)</p>
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		<title>By: Shalandra</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under that aspect, alchemy would also make less sense than, say, inscription. No single potion is BoP, Mixology does add a bit of kick to the potions you drink but IMHO not enough to really stand out. The trinkets you can make are nice but also obviously take up a trinket spot.

Blacksmithing is fine in its current state. It may be a little behind compared to some other professions in terms of crafter-specific equipment/enchants, but keep in mind that blacksmithing will benefit the most when epic gems for socketing will be introduced. 

I&#039;m not advocating blacksmithing as being the best profession, nor am I trying to say that alchemy is bad. 

That said, I think Blizzard is trying to make all professions equally viable for every class that would *sensibly* pick up that profession. A warrior won&#039;t gain much benefit from being a tailor, sure. But every class can benefit from being an engineer, a jewelcrafter, or even a blacksmith (even a caster could theoretically be a blacksmith and enjoy the added sockets).
It&#039;s really just a matter of working what you currently have. Each profession offers its own distinct bonus. My warrior has been a blacksmith since level 5 and I&#039;m glad I never got rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under that aspect, alchemy would also make less sense than, say, inscription. No single potion is BoP, Mixology does add a bit of kick to the potions you drink but IMHO not enough to really stand out. The trinkets you can make are nice but also obviously take up a trinket spot.</p>
<p>Blacksmithing is fine in its current state. It may be a little behind compared to some other professions in terms of crafter-specific equipment/enchants, but keep in mind that blacksmithing will benefit the most when epic gems for socketing will be introduced. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating blacksmithing as being the best profession, nor am I trying to say that alchemy is bad. </p>
<p>That said, I think Blizzard is trying to make all professions equally viable for every class that would *sensibly* pick up that profession. A warrior won&#8217;t gain much benefit from being a tailor, sure. But every class can benefit from being an engineer, a jewelcrafter, or even a blacksmith (even a caster could theoretically be a blacksmith and enjoy the added sockets).<br />
It&#8217;s really just a matter of working what you currently have. Each profession offers its own distinct bonus. My warrior has been a blacksmith since level 5 and I&#8217;m glad I never got rid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tankette</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Tankette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point on BS is you don&#039;t have to be one to get the good BS gear since it is BOE. I am using the Tempered Titansteel Treads and Helm as well as the Shieldwall. I&#039;m also using a few of the BS blues. So in the long run the advatage of BS are the extra 2 sockets, which I don&#039;t think is enough of an advatage for me to pick up BS. If we could still use sharpening and weight stones there would be a little more reason to take up BS, especially if they made the very best ones BOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point on BS is you don&#8217;t have to be one to get the good BS gear since it is BOE. I am using the Tempered Titansteel Treads and Helm as well as the Shieldwall. I&#8217;m also using a few of the BS blues. So in the long run the advatage of BS are the extra 2 sockets, which I don&#8217;t think is enough of an advatage for me to pick up BS. If we could still use sharpening and weight stones there would be a little more reason to take up BS, especially if they made the very best ones BOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Darvenof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darvenof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been BS/Miner since my first day rolling my tank so I was pleasently suprised with some of the additions since WotLK.

Good article -- a couple of comments.

Re: Mining - One big benefit to being a maxed out miner is titansteel.  I&#039;ve sold my CD on this for 50g or more every time that I&#039;ve decided not to use it myself.  This may be an early effect which is not experienced once more miners are maxed but it&#039;s a handly little boost in daily gold right now.  Also, it is really, really easy to max mining.  I did it after dedicating a few hours to it at level 73.

Re: The comment that BS isn&#039;t really worth rolling now (Tankette).  I have to respectfully disagree on this one.  As I&#039;m leveling up my warrior tank, I&#039;m making new plate gear which is as good, if not better than anything that is loading in instances.....and when I arrive at 80, I&#039;ve got good entry level epics that are available to me, including the Titansteel Shield wall which has great defense for putting you over the 540 hurdle.  Is it the best for top-end raid readiness....no, probably not.  But then again, we don&#039;t know what BOP patterns may be added in the next patch.  The BS-only sockets are also very win.  Got nice new loot that will drop you below the defense hurdle...bam, you just got 2 new sockets to play with.  Need more stam, or avoidance, or whatever...  The benefit to these isn&#039;t the sheer amount of contribution, but the flexibility of it.  Think of it this way: It is a blacksmith only enchant that you may enchant as you wish that stacks with other enchants to the same piece of eq.  It is so money...it doesn&#039;t even know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been BS/Miner since my first day rolling my tank so I was pleasently suprised with some of the additions since WotLK.</p>
<p>Good article &#8212; a couple of comments.</p>
<p>Re: Mining &#8211; One big benefit to being a maxed out miner is titansteel.  I&#8217;ve sold my CD on this for 50g or more every time that I&#8217;ve decided not to use it myself.  This may be an early effect which is not experienced once more miners are maxed but it&#8217;s a handly little boost in daily gold right now.  Also, it is really, really easy to max mining.  I did it after dedicating a few hours to it at level 73.</p>
<p>Re: The comment that BS isn&#8217;t really worth rolling now (Tankette).  I have to respectfully disagree on this one.  As I&#8217;m leveling up my warrior tank, I&#8217;m making new plate gear which is as good, if not better than anything that is loading in instances&#8230;..and when I arrive at 80, I&#8217;ve got good entry level epics that are available to me, including the Titansteel Shield wall which has great defense for putting you over the 540 hurdle.  Is it the best for top-end raid readiness&#8230;.no, probably not.  But then again, we don&#8217;t know what BOP patterns may be added in the next patch.  The BS-only sockets are also very win.  Got nice new loot that will drop you below the defense hurdle&#8230;bam, you just got 2 new sockets to play with.  Need more stam, or avoidance, or whatever&#8230;  The benefit to these isn&#8217;t the sheer amount of contribution, but the flexibility of it.  Think of it this way: It is a blacksmith only enchant that you may enchant as you wish that stacks with other enchants to the same piece of eq.  It is so money&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t even know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalandra</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My herb farming char is up to 400 herbalism skill (picking goldclovers like mad), and thus far I&#039;ve found one Frost Lotus. I recall having a similar experience when I first entered Outland, so I&#039;m guessing the trend is the same.

Blacksmithing is pathetically easy to push up to 440, which is when you get to build all the important pieces (Titansteel, etc)
Tailoring is harder to push up in WotLK than Blacksmithing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My herb farming char is up to 400 herbalism skill (picking goldclovers like mad), and thus far I&#8217;ve found one Frost Lotus. I recall having a similar experience when I first entered Outland, so I&#8217;m guessing the trend is the same.</p>
<p>Blacksmithing is pathetically easy to push up to 440, which is when you get to build all the important pieces (Titansteel, etc)<br />
Tailoring is harder to push up in WotLK than Blacksmithing.</p>
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		<title>By: Urago</title>
		<link>http://www.tankhard.com/2008/12/01/crafting-and-you-a-northrend-tanks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>Urago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a huge increase, but considering the Elixir of Mighty Agility (45) is only 15 AGI points higher than the Elixir of Major Agility (30), 650 Health is only essentially 15 more STAM than 500 Health.  Course... that doesn&#039;t take into account the 10 DEF and STAM carries less item value than AGI, but I think it&#039;s safe to say they&#039;ve scaled up similarly, albeit not point for point.

I haven&#039;t looked at the Wrath flask recipes... it could be that they are easier to make than farming Fel Lotus for BC flasks was, which might explain the less-than-overwhelming upgrade.  *shrugs*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a huge increase, but considering the Elixir of Mighty Agility (45) is only 15 AGI points higher than the Elixir of Major Agility (30), 650 Health is only essentially 15 more STAM than 500 Health.  Course&#8230; that doesn&#8217;t take into account the 10 DEF and STAM carries less item value than AGI, but I think it&#8217;s safe to say they&#8217;ve scaled up similarly, albeit not point for point.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at the Wrath flask recipes&#8230; it could be that they are easier to make than farming Fel Lotus for BC flasks was, which might explain the less-than-overwhelming upgrade.  *shrugs*</p>
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